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Jimmy:
Positive Response !S xx !H KQJxx !D xx !C KJxx
Hand 1 !S AKxx !H xx !D KQxx !C Axx
Hand 2 !S AKxx !H xx !D AQJx !C Q10x
Hand 3 !S Kxxx !H xx !D AQJx !C AQx
Hand 4 !S Axxx !H xx !D AKQx !C Axx
Hand 5 !S AKx !H xx !D AKJx !C Q987
Hand 6 !S xxx !H Ax !D AKQx !C Axxx
brian_m:
--- Quote from: OliverC on April 28, 2019, 09:18:50 PM ---LOLOL ...I was just going to say, you cannot have a "tentative" game force. A bid is either game-forcing or it isn't. A positive response to 1 !C, playing OCP or Precision, is 1,000,000% game-forcing!!!! A bid cannot be 50.0001% GF :).
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To be fair to Jim (hey, someone has to be! ;) ) I've seen the term 'conditional game force' used before in books to describe a sequence that is GF or not based on some aspect of the other hand. An OCP example would be
1NT-2 !D-2 !H-2 !S
Personally I would describe 2 !S as "GF unless opener is an absolute minimum" or "GF unless opener rebids 2NT" but I would have no problems in seeing it described as a "conditional game force".
Tentative game forces, however, I've not met up with before. ::)
Jimmy:
Sh-t, told you my grammar and expression was lacking. 8)
I know the condition of game force was established. And in fairness, have you's ever stopped short of 3NT and/or 5m?
brian_m:
--- Quote from: Jimmy on April 28, 2019, 10:57:20 PM ---Sh-t, told you my grammar and expression was lacking. 8)
I know the condition of game force was established. And in fairness, have you's ever stopped short of 3NT and/or 5m?
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Playing my old Precision system, yes, but we had one sequence where opener specifically showed a misfitting but otherwise flat 16 count, and responder was allowed to pass with exactly 8 HCP.
Playing OCP, or any other version of Precision without that escape sequence? No, never. You accept the occasional hand with 16 opposite 8 where no game can be made as the cost of making life a lot simpler on the vast majority of the other hands.
Jimmy:
--- Quote from: brian_m on April 29, 2019, 12:04:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jimmy on April 28, 2019, 10:57:20 PM ---Sh-t, told you my grammar and expression was lacking. 8)
I know the condition of game force was established. And in fairness, have you's ever stopped short of 3NT and/or 5m?
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Playing my old Precision system, yes, but we had one sequence where opener specifically showed a misfitting but otherwise flat 16 count, and responder was allowed to pass with exactly 8 HCP.
Playing OCP, or any other version of Precision without that escape sequence? No, never. You accept the occasional hand with 16 opposite 8 where no game can be made as the cost of making life a lot simpler on the vast majority of the other hands.
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I can handle that answer. :)
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