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Bidding Challenges / Re: Positive responder with 55+
« on: June 30, 2019, 05:58:45 PM »
Hi, Jim and John, many thanks for replying
... and also to Brian for the alternative treatment regime. I will pass that on to my partner and we can chat about it.
One thing that occurred to us after I posted was that over 3N responder could make a slam try ... as one might in a 2/1 or SAYC system when thinking about a minor suit slam.
The positive 55 responder would initial reply to the 1C opening with the higher ranking 5c suit, so over the 3N sign-off by opener, responder could bid the lower suit. In the normal fashion, opener could reject the suit(s) by signing-off in 4N, or could accept the lower suit by cue bidding an ace in the two suits responder does not have. If opener preferred responder's first suit, he would bid that at the 4-level. After acceptance/choice presumably bidding would have to be cues/RKCB.
This sort of scheme might work well for 65 hands when the 6c suit is lower ranked - as it was in the example in the post - because when responder bids his 5c suit over 3N it will be of higher rank than the first suit he bid. Thus, the first suit must be a 6-carder. Opener could proceed as above: cues to accept, 4N to sign-off, 5x to choose the 5c suit.
Of course the scheme won't work with 65 hands when the 6c suit is higher ranked, because opener will not know from the 4y bid over 3N that responder is 55 and not 65. Maybe then, responder should rebid his 6c suit over 3N.
All that seems much more tortuous than the alternative treatment.
My partner and I also use a hybrid system with a simplified version of Asking bids after 1C - positive, but we use alpha, theta and iota, gamma, eta and epsilons.
Anyway, thanks for responding guys,
all the best
Dick
... and also to Brian for the alternative treatment regime. I will pass that on to my partner and we can chat about it.
One thing that occurred to us after I posted was that over 3N responder could make a slam try ... as one might in a 2/1 or SAYC system when thinking about a minor suit slam.
The positive 55 responder would initial reply to the 1C opening with the higher ranking 5c suit, so over the 3N sign-off by opener, responder could bid the lower suit. In the normal fashion, opener could reject the suit(s) by signing-off in 4N, or could accept the lower suit by cue bidding an ace in the two suits responder does not have. If opener preferred responder's first suit, he would bid that at the 4-level. After acceptance/choice presumably bidding would have to be cues/RKCB.
This sort of scheme might work well for 65 hands when the 6c suit is lower ranked - as it was in the example in the post - because when responder bids his 5c suit over 3N it will be of higher rank than the first suit he bid. Thus, the first suit must be a 6-carder. Opener could proceed as above: cues to accept, 4N to sign-off, 5x to choose the 5c suit.
Of course the scheme won't work with 65 hands when the 6c suit is higher ranked, because opener will not know from the 4y bid over 3N that responder is 55 and not 65. Maybe then, responder should rebid his 6c suit over 3N.
All that seems much more tortuous than the alternative treatment.
My partner and I also use a hybrid system with a simplified version of Asking bids after 1C - positive, but we use alpha, theta and iota, gamma, eta and epsilons.
Anyway, thanks for responding guys,
all the best
Dick