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Correct (?) Answers to Bidding Problems / Re: [Bidding problem] OCP simple system
« on: April 26, 2019, 02:54:22 AM »
Rebid 1 !S 20 times out of 10:
(1) It's more constructive
(2) The priority in your bidding should be to find "somewhere else" to play. Finding a Major suit fit is the No 1 priority and opting to play in NT's in the absence of a Major fit is a close second.
(3) Depending on how the subsequent bidding goes, partner will realise that you may be 13-15 balanced, even when you've rebid 1 !S . Rebidding 1NT, however, categorically denies having 4-card Spades and nothing you do subsequently would ever convince an OCP Partner that you have a 4th Spade.

I would quibble with Oliver's answer - I think 20 times out of 10 is an underestimate!  ;)

I agree with both Oliver and Brian's comments.  In the example given, IMO opener should definitely bid 1 !S for a variety of reasons:

1.  It is the general system rule (unless modified by partnership).
2.  The 1 !S bid should still be considered one round forcing. 
3.  Opener can still have up to 15 HCP and in this example has 14 HCP with 3-10's, a QJ10 + J987 combos. 
4.  Responder has shown 8+ HCP with the 1 !H response and also can still have up to 15 HCP's.
5.  The 1 !S bid allows responder to show his values/distribution. 
6.  And 1NT by opener sort of indicates a minimum hand.   

JMO,  Jim

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Interesting Play Hands / Re: A great asking bid example hand
« on: August 27, 2018, 05:50:33 PM »
 :blank:

Are we awake yet?  ;) Thanks for the quick and direct response.   

In essence,  I whole-heartedly agree with your approach to identifying the singleton K.   Thought your example hand for responder would be improved if it contained the following:

If I have

 !S QJxxx
 !H AQxxxx     (changing the KQxxxx to AQxxxx, since opener had the singleton K)
 !D void
 !C AQ

that would have the two hands being:


 !S AKxxxx                     QJxxx
 !H K                            AQxxxx
 !D AJ10x                      void
 !C xx                           AQ

Now,  it was probably late when I responded and a little tired.  I was looking at the quidelines for using FNT  (shown below)

Forcing 1NT Response
In response to an Opening Bid of 1♠ (or 1♥), 1NT is an artificial 1-round force following which both partners in turn clarify their hand-types. The kinds of hand that generally use a Forcing No Trump are as follows:

  1.  Balanced hands with 8+ hcp and Spade Support
  2.  Balanced hands with 12+ hcp but no 'good' support for Spades
  3. 16+ hands with (or without) Spade support
      A weak hand with no tolerance for Spades and a long (6+-card) suit elsewhere.
  4.  (Note: This hand type can only be shown via the Forcing No Trump if Asking Bids are not being used, or when Responder is a
       passed hand)

Unfortunately,  I used the term balanced hand.  What I meant to infer is that since options 1,2,&4 do not apply (in this example), then option 3 is when responder is going to be the "asker" and it would be important to know all the controls.   

Thanks for tolerating my inexperience using this system. 

That aside, if I were to find a partner to play this system and could find to time to learn it, I think I would show the singleton K

Question:  Can you think of an example where responder has option 1 or 2 and would still activate a Beta Ask?

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Interesting Play Hands / Re: A great asking bid example hand
« on: August 27, 2018, 02:53:25 AM »
Quote from: brian_m on August 26, 2018, 11:12:02 PM
Quote from: lute57 on August 26, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
My thought was the other possible holding(s) being the singleton King !H.

It would not be counted as a control. And even if you counted an additional 3 HCP at the beginning it would still be a 1 !S Opening.

I originally inferred the  !D as Qxx in showing a 3rd round control and not a doubleton because without the Queen of  !D Opener would be a tidge short in HCP to open 1 !S. But Brian is correct. Take those 2 HCP and split them into two Jacks - one for each black suit


John is also correct, if you're following the system as written. I'd missed this third possibility (stiff King) because this is one of the places where Georgi and I deviate from the notes. It's our opinion that, when responder is strong enough to switch on the asking bids after a 1 !H or 1 !S opener, the odds are in favour of the stiff King being worth something. We feel particularly safe in doing this when opener (teller) has extra trump length, because you're unlikely to be susceptible to a forcing defence if the stiff King falls under the Ace and teller then has to ruff.

I can think of one circumstance (prompted by a recent hand which didn't have a stiff King) where it could possibly come back to bite you. As opener, you hold

 !S AQxxxx
 !H K
 !D AJ10x
 !C xx

You open 1 !S, 1NT from pard, 2 !D from you, partner switches on the asks with 2 !H, you show your  !S HHxxxx. Now partner knows that you're at least 6-4 in  !S and  !D, because you wouldn't show only a three card  !D suit in front of six card  !S. Pard continues with relay beta over the gamma response, and now here's the significant difference.

If you are playing as per the website, and if partner has sufficient of the high cards to know that your fifth control has to be the  !H or  !C King, then partner knows that your King must be guarded. Georgi and I do not have that information, for us the King could be a stiff with a small doubleton in the other suit, as above. Can this cost? I think so, I think it's probably possible to construct a hand for Asker such that 6 !S is a good contract with Kx and a singleton in Teller's hand, but not with a stiff King and a small doubleton. I admit this is just gut feeling, I haven't put sufficient thought into this to construct such a hand.

All I can tell you is that I'm not aware of the way that Georgi and I count stiff Kings in relay beta (and a few other places!) ever having cost us.




Hello Brain, 

I looked up the Asking Bid Guidelines for activating Beta's and found this statement for counting singletons:

"Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, we do not count a singleton King as 1 Control unless Partner has shown strength there (eg: an earlier trump ask in that suit) or we know they are strong balanced (and so are likely to have one of the adjoining honours). "

My question is...……………..

Does this statement "or we know they are strong balanced (and so are likely to have on of the adjoining honours" cover your example hand since responder used a "Forcing 1NT" to start the sequence. 

Thanks. 

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Another One
« on: July 24, 2018, 02:41:41 PM »
Quote from: brian_m on July 24, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on July 24, 2018, 01:47:44 PM


Speaking of overcalls, I think I might also be finding a bid directly over South's strong 1 !C with the West hand. You can only combat the opponents you have, but it seems to me that your opponents could benefit from some guidance of how to defend against Precision!


Yup, no doubt about that.    ::)

Most of our opponents are 2/1 and are unfamiliar with Strong Club Systems.   The better players interfere early and then stop without sacrificing.  (not sure why,  but,  we have built preventative penalty doubles into the system).  In this case,  E/W would have been down 4 at 6 hearts, 

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Another One
« on: July 24, 2018, 01:47:44 PM »
Yup,   I should have included the whole hand,  thought about it.   Here it is and based on the whole hand East would probably pass and West might bid later (?)  Hard to say what opponents would do against OCP,  just know what our opponents did against our strong club system. 

Again,  the opponents bidding the Hearts and Clubs definitely helped us bid the slam (allowed for cue bid showing control and Diamond support).   Not sure if we would have bid a slam without the opponents help.  Thanks. 

                                           Dealer South  No One Vul

                                          North

                                            !S
                                            !H 10432
                                            !D AJ98765
                                            !C K3
 West                                                                                         East                     

 !S 875                                                                                         !S  QJ64
 !H KJ9                                                                                         !H  Q8765
 !D 2                                                                                            !D  3
 !C QJ8762                                                                                    !C  A109
                                                South

                                                !S AK10932
                                                !H A
                                                !D KQ104
                                                !C 54

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Bidding Challenges / Another One
« on: July 24, 2018, 03:24:52 AM »
Had this hand today.  Ended up in 6 !D played from the North Hand (lead into the Club K). 

Note:  There was interference bidding by E/W in Hearts & Clubs,  which allowed South to Que Bid Hearts.  The interference allowed us to bid a reasonable slam. 

Curious as to how OCP handles this one with the interference.


Our bidding was
South            North
1 !C  -   P  -     2 !D  -  2 !H      (Positive Response in Diamonds, 5+)
2 !S  -  3 !C  -  3 !D  -  3 !H     (6+ Diamonds)
4 !H  -   P    -   4NT   - P           (4 Hearts Cue, showed control and good Diamond Support  - 4NT is KCB)
5 !H  -   P   -    6 !D                  (3/5 Controls,   North bids 6 diamonds with what appears to be protected K clubs since West on lead)

Thanks.   


Dealer South

North

 !S
 !H 10432
 !D AJ98765
 !C K3

South

 !S AK10932
 !H A
 !D KQ104
 !C 54

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Another Interesting Bidding Challange
« on: July 16, 2018, 02:21:33 PM »
Thanks,   Did not see where it said the "cheapest unbid suit was gamma" for responder.   But,  did find it.

Slam Exploration
With the 16+ hands (with or without Spade support), Responder can either bid naturally or, if Asking Bids are in use, has the option to embark on an Asking Bid sequence. With (3) above, over Opener's rebid...

    A bid of the cheapest new suit over Opener's Rebid is Gamma in Spades and Asking Bids are now established.
    eg: 1♠ - 1NT - 2♦ - 2♥ is Gamma in Spades

If Opener has shown a second suit, then a relay in the 2nd-cheapest new suit is Gamma in Opener's second suit.
eg: 1♠ - 1NT - 2♦ - 3♣ is Gamma in Diamonds



Also, I did check the guidelines and that is why I came up with the question.  The guidelines say order of preference.....

Opener's Rebid
Over the Forcing No Trump Opener clarifies his holding along the following lines (items are in order of preference):-

 1.   Rebids a second 4-card or longer suit, if held. A jump rebid in another suit promises 5-5 at least and a maximum.
 2.   Rebids a 6-card or a very strong 5-card Spade suit . A jump rebid shows a maximum with at least a 6-card Spade suit.
 3.   With any 5332 shape, Opener rebids his cheapest 3-card Minor suit.
 4.   Opener rebids 2NT with a setup 6-card suit (Originally this showed a hand missing only 1 of the top 4 honours, but now we treat it as promising the top three, so a minimum holding of AKQxxx) in an otherwise balanced hand that is upper-range (rare because such hands often upgraded to 1♣). There is a special scale for Gamma in these sequences that relates solely to the length of Opener's suit.

Thanks again,  Jim

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Another Interesting Bidding Challange
« on: July 15, 2018, 08:21:14 PM »
Hi Guys, 

Thanks for the responses.   John,  have a question for you. 

In your response you used the forcing one NT bid with opener bidding 2H and responder now bidding 3C gamma. 

How does the bidding proceed if opener bids 3S showing max with 6 spades ( in effect, hiding the heart fit)? 

1 !S - 1NT
3 !S

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Bidding Challenges / Another Interesting Bidding Challange
« on: July 13, 2018, 07:56:31 PM »
Picked up this hand yesterday.  Ended up in 6  !S, making 7 when the  !H's were split 2-2. 

How does OCP approach this beauty?

Dealer North
Both Vul

North

 !S QJ10983
 !H A1074
 !D AQ2
 !C

South

 !S AK54
 !H KJ963
 !D
 !C QJ102

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Interesting Hand - How would OCP Bid this hand?
« on: July 10, 2018, 05:20:17 PM »
Yes,  I can see OCP using the normal scale,  since responses should be lower level of steps. 

As for the namyats,  we have adopted the system.  However,  we use combination of Cue bids and Key Card since we don't use the asking bid algorithms.     EX:   4D -  4H (cues),  4D - 4NT (KC) and 4D - 4S  signoff

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Bidding Challenges / Re: Interesting Hand - How would OCP Bid this hand?
« on: July 04, 2018, 11:36:09 PM »
Thanks B, 

Missed the Stayman section in pre-empts.  Makes sense.  OCP would easily bid to the slam, regardless of North opening 4 !D or 4 !S, especially with the South hand. 

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Bidding Challenges / Interesting Hand - How would OCP Bid this hand?
« on: July 04, 2018, 09:00:48 PM »
Played in a 2 day Swiss Event recently.  This hand came up and my partner, "first to bid", opened 4 !S. Using Key Card Blackwood,  we ended up in 6 !S, making 7 (Partner used ruffing finance on the K !C)  (Not the way I would have played it,  I would have first tried to ruff out the K !C). 

Any way,  here is the hand.  How would this have been bid in OCP? Both the opening bid and following bids.   Thanks. 


North                                 South

S   KJ10987532                   AQ64
H   A93                               876
D                                        A   
C   4                                   AQJ83

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Interesting Play Hands / Re: Playing downstream
« on: January 14, 2018, 03:03:51 PM »
Yes,  accidentally left out the Q !S.  Scuzzi.  The hand is now corrected.

And yes,  the way to make the 1st deal is to duck (concede) the heart opening lead,  then discard two clubs and setting up the other clubs via ruffs.   

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Interesting Play Hands / Playing downstream
« on: January 13, 2018, 03:32:00 PM »
Couple of interesting playing hands for all.  Taken from the Jan. 2018 Bridge Bulletin.  Brian-m should enjoy both of these.   ;)

First One is from Bridge with the Abbot by David Bird

Dealer South N/S Vul
Declarer is North in 6S (after a transfer bid by South)
Opening lead is the 10 !H.  What do you do?

                  North
                 !S AQJ10983
                 !H 2
                 !D 42
                 !C Q54


                 South
                 !S K5
                 !H AK3
                 !D AQ6
                 !C A7632


Here is the complete layout:












                  North
                 !S AJ10983
                 !H 2
                 !D 42
                 !C Q54

West                          East
!S 762                        !S 4
!H 10985                     !H QJ764
!D KJ95                       !D 10873
!C 108                        !C KJ9
                 South
                 !S K5
                 !H AK3
                 !D AQ6
                 !C A7632







Second Hand is from Mike's Advice by Mike Lawrence and comes from a BBO hand.

Dealer East
N/S Vul
Contract 5 !D by South
Opening Lead is a low Spade which you win with the A   What do you play next? 




 North
                 !S 103
                 !H AKQ95
                 !D 863
                 !C 986


                 South
                 !S AK
                 !H
                 !D AQJ9752
                 !C AQ42

Here is the complete layout:







                 North
                 !S 103
                 !H AKQ95
                 !D 863
                 !C 986

West                          East
!S 765                        !S QJ9842
!H 10632                     !H J874
!D K104                       !D
!C K105                       !C J73
                 South
                 !S AK
                 !H
                 !D AQJ9752
                 !C AQ42

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Bidding Challenges / Re: How would OCP bid this 5-5 Major with 18 HCP's (Maybe 16HCP's)
« on: October 28, 2017, 01:59:33 PM »
Quote from: kiwi_2o1 on October 28, 2017, 08:17:11 AM
Jimmy. It looks like you are playing a natural system(?), so I think a 1S opening is optimal for me too. Or did your partner bid 2H over a positive response to a strong 1C? A 2S rebid still seems better than 2H to me. John has a nice, clean sequence that we would all aim to reproduce.

Hi Kiwi, 

Na,  we are playing a strong club system based on a blend of (schenken & super precision with cues and KCB).  And, yes my partner bid 2 !H over a positive 1NT response to a strong club.  Our bidding on this hand was:

P      1 !C   P    1NT
P      2 !H   P    3 !H
4 !H

We bid our touching suits up the line in this situation.  That is why we received a critical comment about having two 5 card major suits and not bidding the higher one first. 

Our reasoning is that if bid the other way, it could show a 5-4,  when bidding the lower one first it definitely shows 5-5. Also,  the 1NT responder will normally (most of the time) not have any singleton suits (because we still use the old fashion impossible negative).  The impossible negative serves us well.  We still retain the jump shift as highly distributional.  Plus if the positive response has a 5 card suit, responder will bid it.  This way if opener has a 6 card suit, opener will be confident that partnership has at least 8 trumps (most of the time), after a 1NT positive response.   

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